I try to tell him it's not like having a wound and picking a scab off.... it's like you literally have these flakes that are most of the time not … I am a "picker". Wish I could give better advice. 16 Replies, During the past 10 days I have seen two dermatologists and asked them whether routinely removing the new scales either by soft scratching or ... Hi Mikel, Hi! Maybe just good at google searches.. ** Originally posted by momeliza4 ** Not every psoriasis patient suffers from the Koebner effect (I usually don't experience it) and not ever injury results in the Koebner effect. As he said, they're both very helpful in removing the scales. Not a 100% fix, but it helps a bit, i had the same issue for a rly long time! My son is only on internal meds (MTX). The problem with removing a scale before it's ready to be removed -- a) hurts and b) can result in something called the Koebner effect. These patches normally appear on your elbows, knees, … ** Originally posted by jnjfraz ** “The outer layers of the skin grow much faster than normal,” says David Pariser, MD, professor of dermatology at Eastern Virginia Medical School. Its a thing for some people, I think. I have recently switched from Dovonex to Protopic for my scalp P (I shave my head). 22 Replies, So ive started to use dovonex at night while donig uvb 3x/week, about to reduce to 2x/week though cause nurse thinks it may be aggravating it ... Honestly I understand it is very tedious, I find myself picking a lot more when I’m stressed personally, Heyo. You can also get some tea tree oil shampoo. I would then pick out the softened stuff in the morning..then shower and shampoo. get a baby comb or hair brush to gentle remove scales. The active ingredient in Dovonex is easily inactivated, particularly by acidic compounds like salicylic acid. I would let that stay for a couple of hours, or even over night. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Picking at scabs interferes with your body’s natural healing process, increasing your risk of infection. Picking them off or forcefully scouring them can cause dying. Are you sure you want to delete this reply? The red rash of plaque psoriasis is generally sheathed in gleaming white “scales,” which are extremely dead skin cells.The surface layer of scales can without much of a stretch chip away, however those fair underneath will in general stick together. Do you think that people with P are good detectives or good at crosswords? Dab the cotton ball on your psoriasis patches. Also, since the scales grow around the hair follicle, we're essentially picking the scales off each hair follicle which definitely damages it over time. And still after soaking in oil/ cocois and then washing my hair - STILL scales. The only thing I have found really helps is reducing the scales in the first instance. I too find that I pick slightly less when I frequently descale - but that procedure is honestly so tedious I don't so it often enough. This is a topic that really confussed me because we have had derms who have said to sluff off the scales in the shower and then we changed doctors and started seeing Dr. Menter (the president of the international psoriasis coucil). Dr. Menter has very specifically told us not to ever peel or pick at the scales on our son. It made it look better but never really cleared it up! Most salicylic acid products are marketed for acne and hence could be drying. I have recently switched from Dovonex to Protopic for my scalp P (I shave my head). I think ... ** Originally posted by JustDucky ** You bet I really need some help here, since Brian's Glycerin therapy has pretty much fixed the rest of my body. (peeling hands/fingers), Is there anyone who picks at or peel the plaque. My scalp is the very worst it has ever been. My fiance made the comment the other day that you can kind of think of it like a scab if you pick it youre cut won't heal or will worsen! Scalp psoriasis is a common skin disorder that makes raised, reddish, often scaly patches. I know the picking creates them but I am really struggling with this. Patients may be inclined to pick psoriasis scales that appear in noticeable areas or on the scalp. Thickened, pitted or ridged nails 6. I know it’s really bad but I really can’t help it sometimes :( also I’m sorry about that, is there a way you’re treating parts that look bald or is it growing back without interference? The problem is that I can't stop picking and peeling off the psoriasis (flakes). The underlying cause of psoriasis is not known, as of November 2010, and it usually appears in young adults. Previous Next 1 of 8 Types of psoriasis. Tips. I took someone elses suggestion of using olive oil on the scalp to remove scales and found that it works great. Hi jnjfraz, join me over on r/compulsiveskinpicking, Keep your fingernails short, wear a baseball cap, get lots of exercise and keep yourself busy so you’re not bored. Sometimes I would try to see how much skin I could pull off without tearing it (I know strange). Learn More. Sort by. Psoriasis signs and symptoms are different for everyone. Salicylic acid: Also found in acne medicines, it’s one of the most common treatments for psoriasis. Good luck, This discussion is closed to comments. I have a rubber band about my wrist, and whenever I get the urger to pick, I snap it. As you pick scales, your hair will also fall down. 4 Replies, ** Originally posted by ct69646 ** I'd like to get through the thick patches on my scalp. You bet I really need some help here, since Brian's Glycerin therapy has pretty much fixed the rest of my body. ** Originally posted by Mikel ** Before I knew what I had, in the back of my head, I began to use just plain lotion, on it. We are haeded for Disney World next week so I was wondering ... (My hair back there is thick, so I never had to worry about it soiling the pillows, since none ever made its way thru my hair.) Your doctor can usually tell whether you have scalp psoriasis, seborrheic dermatitis or both based on an examination of your skin, scalp and nails. Instead, Dr. Steven Feldman (Winston-Salem, North Carolina) suggests putting on an ointment or oil-like medication to soften the scale. It helps to remove the scale before applying your creams/lotions. I don't think that we've met, so let me take this opportunity to welcome you to the board. These pile up in red patches, often with silvery scales. ** Originally posted by pgerpup ** I also scratched, a lot, and especially at night while I was sleeping. I'd suggest trying apple cider vinegar (diluted with water), using tea tree oil, Neem oil and see if any of these work for you. Even when I freshly descale and oil my head I will still find myself searching for scales. This is one of those "it depends" questions. (I like to say that you know that something is bad if they name it after someone.) But as soon as one day has passed I’m ready to start picking again , Same. Like MikeK said, it can burn. Common signs and symptoms include: 1. Picking off psoriasis scales on scalp. Sometimes it gets very annoying and ... Whether it's relating anecdotes for support, giving advice, or looking for help, all posts welcome. 8 Replies, ** Originally posted by slg ** I am 12 weeks off of Amevive and using UVB 2x/week. It’s very bad for me as I sometimes search my scalp for scales to pick which results in my scalp bleeding in some places. The scales can actually act as a barrier that prevent the medication from attacking the psoriasis, so loose scales can and should be gently removed. When there is nothing to pick I have it under control. Psoriasis can also cause inflammation of the joints. share. I never had it spread from that..but, I dont think its so good, because it hurts. I think Salicylic acid would work but not sure what Form should I use it on my scalp- A wash, cream, ointment or gel. 8 Replies. https://new.reddit.com/r/Psoriasis/wiki/index?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf. ** Originally posted by partial ** However, it’s also possible to itch in areas of your body that aren’t covered by psoriasis scales. According to the University of Maryland Medical Center, around half of all psoriasis sufferers will experience psoriasis of the scalp. Make sure your not too aggressive with the descale. 19 Replies, The psoriasis (at least the derm thinks it's P vs seborrhea dermatitis) on my scalp, hairline and forehead is driving me nuts with the flaking ... You can also get already fine tooth comb and try to brush out as much as you can after a shower, the plaques will be softer and easier to remove. For some, it can also be a symptom of an underlying condition called dermatillomania. I was actually able to sleep through the night! A lot of people apply oil..olive oil, baby oil, etc..and let it stay overnight..then you can get the gush it makes, off in the morning. Psoriasis outbreaks on the scalp are common. :cool: Nice to meet you. When I put a topical on my P spots, should I flake/peel off the bad skin just before? Downside of it was that it also tends to break off hairs at the scalp when you wash it out (but so does everything else for me). Any kind of lotion will do. What oil do you use? Psoriasis is a skin condition that causes red, flaky, crusty patches of skin covered with silvery scales. 26 Replies, ** Originally posted by zozocouture ** so as of two weeks ago ive been useing this new topical cream on my legs that have very mild psorisis ... To start a new discussion in this community, please click here. I just recently bought some Dead Sea Salts and soaked in a bath last night. ** Originally posted by JustDucky ** Even when I descale there are still scales. My question is the same as the original question here, what can I do to lift the scale on my scalp. Psoriasis occurs when the life cycle of skin cells speeds up, resulting in a rapid buildup of rough, dead skin cells. Avoid very hot showers or baths, as this can further dry the skin. Most salicylic acid products are marketed for acne and hence could be drying. I think thats the only reason why the shampoos and ... It affects the scalp in at least 50 percent of people with chronic plaque psoriasis. be gentle and then using Clobetasol solution worked amazing for me. When there are scales I cant not pick at them. Do you think that people with P are good detectives or good at crosswords? Large flakes falling off your scalp could be very embarrassing. It can pop up as a single patch or several, and can even affect your entire scalp. Some medications, i.e., Dovonex, with salicylic acid because the salicylic acid can actually deactivate the Dovonex. Yeah me too, when I descale I can tell myself there’s nothing there to pick at so the urge reduces slightly. This has been going on for about 5+ years now, and I can't stop no matter how much I want to. 10 Replies, ** Originally posted by JKNY ** After five days of S, my elbows are peeling big time! Psoriasis is a skin condition characterized by increased skin cell turn over which often results in unwanted thickened and red scales. For treatment to be effective, you need to apply the medicine or medicated shampoo to your scalp. More than 10 milligram of omega-3 fatty acids necessarily cure psoriasis epidermis layer. Protopic is a miracle for my face. I would seperate the hair..and try to rub it on the scalp. Me too. 9 Replies, ** Originally posted by 2sense ** anyone else have this problem? I sometimes use the Aveeno Colloidal Oatmeal Bars and the salicylic acid products that Mikel recommend. If Dovonex is prescribed along with other topicals, apply the medications at different times of day and never mix them. I have been clearing while on Amevive, and for the last 12 ... I tried Aveeno Bar and it did help a bit. When I was 90-percent covered I could sit for minutes at a time and pick and pull at my plaques. I once burnt myself when I used the MG217 ointment for too many days in a row. Dry, cracked skin that may bleed 4. Use a product that has 2% salicylic acid. Scratching and picking psoriasis plaques. Hello it sounds like Mike has given you some great advice. When it affects the skin it commonly appears as red scaly elevated patches called plaques. Request a prescription-strength cream or cleanser from your doctor to treat stubborn scales. The only thing that works temporarily is cutting my fingernails extra short— but I hate doing that. You may assume that you have dandruff, but that's not always the case. I've used it when my skin gets really thick. Don't use your fingernails to scrub your scalp when you wash your hair. I’m in the same boat. ** Originally posted by MikeK ** Certain baths, lotions, sponges to use etc. You’re only 18, so you’re still young, my mother also has psoriasis and says it gets better as you get older! Get Rid of scales night before UVB treatment, soriataine question? I am determined to find a natural remedy that works for me. Protopic is working like a dream on my face, ears, nose, forehead but I think it is not able to get past some of the thicker plaques on my scalp. Important: This sub does not offer professional medical advice; always see a doctor. Psoriasis may not be present on the rest of the body and may extend to the hairline and forehead. Itching, burning or soreness 5. 2 Replies, So recently i discovered that i have scalp psoriasis and when i feel my scalp, i feel alot of bumps on it. That leaves me with my Bald Scalp. A help forum about all matters relating to psoriasis. I try to explain what it is like to have psoriasis... no one else I know has psoriasis. MG217 (http://www.mg217.com) makes a salicylic acid ointment that I highly recommend. The lotion doesnt make the hair greasy...so it all washes out. The Koebner effect basically means that any injury to an existing patch of psoriasis (say from picking off a scale) can cause the psoriasis to get worse. It was like a strange addiction. The Koeber effect that any injury to a previously healthy area of skin can cause a new patch of psoriasis to develop. Many different skin conditions affect the scalp. I’ve read the descaling guide repeatedly but I always seem to lose hair, a lot, when I descale. Log in or sign up to leave a comment log in sign up. ** Originally posted by jnjfraz ** Apply a moisturizer to your body to keep the scales or areas of psoriasis well hydrated. These skin cells accumulate, forming thick silvery scales and dry, red patches that are sometimes itchy or painful. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Here's a link to a previous discussion (circa 2004) about the Koebner effect: http://www.psoriasis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10988. Skin issues like seborrheic dermatitis, psoriasis, and sunburn can cause the scalp to peel off in chunks. Psoriasis is a disease that causes cells to rapidly build up on the surface of one’s skin, leading to the formation of thick, silvery scales and itchy, dry, painful red patches that can colonize a sufferer’s entire body — from scalp to elbows, knees, and genitals. Psoriasis plaques frequently occur on the elbows and knees, but can affect any area of skin including the scalp and genital area. I have scalp psoriasis and I have had it for quite some time now, however I have a habit of picking scabs (anywhere on my body) so of course I do not hesitate to pick the scales from my head. Maybe just good at google searches.. ** Originally posted by pgerpup ** … What to do about the itching and peeling? How to Remove Psoriasis Scales. Fay. 0 comments. I would like to ask if anyone has any advice in how I can reduce or stop myself from doing this as it is a viscous circle for me. You can find answers to common questions like these Here https://new.reddit.com/r/Psoriasis/wiki/index?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf, Whatever you do, please don't do that. Get the treatment on your scalp. ** Originally posted by jnjfraz ** I would try soaking the skin before you apply your topicals. I hope this helps and once again welcome to the board I'm sure you find this a very informative place. Mikel, cut or bite fingernails SHORT. Preparing psoriasis scales An important first step before removing scales is to cover the affected area with either a moisturizer that is thicker in nature or an emollient. (This makes it easier for medications to do their job.) I was going to start this as a new thread but I thought this one will do. Mikel, 16 Replies, Is this not recommended I dont want to look like some monster from the blue lagoon loose in public or school. Like Mike, the Koebner effect doesnt seem to be part of my p, so being a bit more agressive at getting rid of thick scales doesnt seem to bother my p. Try other over-the-counter psoriasis products, including salicylic acid, to scrub off the scales. Welcome to the boards. 7 Replies, Sometimes after i apply ointments or lotion or just smetimes randomly, the scales on my psoriasis are really "loose" and when i rub/scratch ... A thin coating of salicylic acid ointment should cover the psoriasis patches. Highly unusual for me since I'm normally up scratching! Having scalp psoriasis may … It helps to remove the scale before applying your creams/lotions. This is me. Picking can aggravate your skin, causing psoriasis to flare. Apply over-the-counter products to your scalp to help soften scales and make them easier to peel off. However, they should be counseled to avoid this practice, which could cause an infection. My question is the same as the original question here, what can I do to lift the scale on my scalp. If you suffer from psoriasis, below are some effective ways to treat psoriasis scales on a regular basis. What Is Scalp Psoriasis? But dandruff flakes are different from the chunks This skin disease happens when your immune system sends faulty signals and skin cells grow too quickly. I have tried the most obvious ones such as T-gel (which I still currently use), however I stopped for a while and used an independent brand which was tea tree & lavender (I think I can’t fully remember) based and it was really good but quite expensive for a small size bottle. Dermarest (http://www.dermarest.com) makes a moisturizer that has salicylic acid moisturizer that I sometimes use. Hello jnjfraz! I've got some good ointment that I can put on that makes the affected skin softer, and when I put it on, it works. ** Originally posted by Mikel ** I use to soak in bathtub and let my scales get soft and gently scrub them with a loofah sponge or pumice stone! We're glad you found us, but I'm sorry you had to. Be careful with it though. Psoriasis is an immune-mediated disease which affects the skin and joints. Small scaling spots (commonly seen in children) 3. I have scalp psoriasis and I have had it for quite some time now, however I have a habit of picking scabs (anywhere on my body) so of course I do not hesitate to pick the scales from my head. 11 Replies, Hey all ..I was looking for some things you do to get rid of scales that have built up. You can simply wash off the scale with water and your fingers, or use salicylic acid to remove it. The problem with the oils is...sometimes, you cant get that out. I personally use Aveeno Colloidal Oatmeal Bar twice a wek all over to do the trick since it is mildly abrasive and washes away the scale. It will help it get thinner. The nice thing with olive oil is that it washes out of hair pretty easily, not the case with Aquaphor (I tried it once on my scalp and had hair that looked like it was from 1950's for a few days). I personally use Aveeno Colloidal Oatmeal Bar twice a wek all over to do the trick since it is mildly abrasive and washes away the scale. Tea tree oil (diluted) has been very good for controlling my psoriasis, I like to use a few drops mixed with coconut oil, it helps with the itching/soreness created by me picking and scratching. Feel like I’m going to end I bald. what ... Have you tried Demarest? Avoid picking off scale. Many community members state they have found over-the-counter moisturizers or emollients that work for them, others find that a prescription from the physician works better. save hide report. Maybe that is why you are losing hair because I’ve seen some people say certain oils make their hair fall out. 12 Replies, ** Originally posted by sarah1234 ** I have noticed recently that my P is Peeling more then ususal, I can get a fingernail and flick it off ... Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. I am on soriataine (for about 7 day snow) and both of my hands and fingers ... If you’re in the US, Trader Joe’s has a decent one. Thanks so much.... you can read and read and not quite know what to do. He told us that doing such could very much spread the affected area. picking psoriasis scales Chatting relating to the weakening of the day. Send help. (A burn can result in the Koebner effect.) 10 Replies, even though my psoriasis has improved alot in the past 3 months but lately i been itching and peeling somewhat--i moisterize twice a day. That leaves me with my Bald Scalp. best. I tried Aveeno Bar and it did help a bit. Press J to jump to the feed. My son does not how ever use creams or lotions so the advice might be different if he did. 100% Upvoted. I was going to start this as a new thread but I thought this one will do. Your hair has that greasy look. On non-scalp areas I have found that a thick coating of Aquaphor before bed makes the plaques slide off in the shower pretty easily. Protopic is a miracle for my face. Thanks so much.... you can read and read and not quite know what to do. I'm sort of new to this P thing. Scalp and forehead peeling driving me nuts, http://www.psoriasis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=10988, http://www.psoriasis.org/treatment/psoriasis/topicals/dovonex.php, http://www.psoriasis.org/forum/showthread.php?t=3351&highlight=scaring. Red patches of skin covered with thick, silvery scales 2. Apply a pea-sized amount of salicylic acid ointment to a clean cotton ball. I haven't scrubbed them for a week! 1.) I recently started the humira treatment and it is starting to work, slow but still working, my skin is peeling off leaving a lot of redness ... Yes, dandruff is a common problem. Apply more ointment to the cotton ball, if necessary. My appearance means much to me ... I think Salicylic acid would work but not sure what Form should I use it on my scalp- A wash, cream, ointment or gel. The itching is caused by psoriasis scales, flakiness, and inflamed skin. Fay. 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