Also what do you mean by abolish? Back. Uh oh, watch out Thad and Chad. Has anyone else’s school have an abolish Greek life movement going on? Contact. Join Us. 3,719 Followers, 1,786 Following, 31 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Greek Life (@abolish_greeklife) IV now has about 50 tents of unhoused folk in it parks... don't see the rules being followed at those. My guess is that it would probably be more likely for their national organization to take away their charter so maybe just a lot of snitching when they party but there has to be a less tedious way. should chapters like the one i mentioned and the few others that have been monitoring covid be punished for reckless behavior of other chapters? News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. What We Do. Leave the students to fraternize as they see fit. I think you can’t take this all out on Greeks. As other people in this thread have pointed out, it could lead to them "going rogue" and operating entirely unmonitored. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. EDIT (again): If you're going to defend greek life and say they aren't the only ones partying then you better go just as hard in holding them accountable. "other people are partying too" yes and? /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/I also really feel for some of the AC Transit drivers. I can't really say whether Cal should or shouldn't ban them. I have enormous sympathy for unhoused folk in today's mess, and IV is kind and generous in many ways... the Pescadero Lofts, outreach through various programs, including the religious institutions in IV, which I support and volunteer at. Sounds like you discriminated them based on what they choose to post on social media. How tf r u gonna generalize all frats like this. If you want us to discredit your argument without arrogance why are you arguing with arrogance. Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. If these Greek houses violated County guidelines, cite them. If you look outside you’ll also see it’s not just them, that half of IV is still partying, and getting rid of frats won’t stop that. About. You can’t stop groups of people from forming clubs, especially off campus. This boils down to a larger problem with local government at this point and taking it all out on Greeks is just simply not the answer honey. Once, I was walking with my instrument (pulling it behind me on wheels) for a gig near the International House. What We Do Current Page: Chapters Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Chapters. With the recent email that was sent out regarding COVID rates surging because of frat parties, what are your opinions on whether or not we should abolish Greek life? Projects. What We Do Chapters Current Page: Projects Contact News Read Me Take Action Projects. I do think that the university could be stricter with regulating them (exactly how I don’t know), especially at a time like this. More posts from the UCSantaBarbara community. News, questions, and discussions for the people of UCSB and IV. Well, the first amendment guarantees the right of people to peaceably assemble. I see why people harp on the ills of the Greek system, but I can't imagine how much worse my life would be if it weren't for the impact of my fraternity brothers. Others also know they can come out, and we have had trans brothers in our organization. Press J to jump to the feed. Multicultural orgs are iffy because hazing within them is a whole different (dangerous and harmful) issue but it's a conversation for a different day. View Entire Discussion (149 Comments) Cookies help us deliver our Services. when we think of greek life, we might automatically think of these reckless frat boys and sorority girls who are partying, but it is much bigger than that so do we get rid of them all or do we find a way to remove only the problematic chapters? Calls for restructuring White Greek life are not new, but cries to abolish them have sharpened in recent months. ._2JU2WQDzn5pAlpxqChbxr7{height:16px;margin-right:8px;width:16px}._3E45je-29yDjfFqFcLCXyH{margin-top:16px}._13YtS_rCnVZG1ns2xaCalg{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex}._1m5fPZN4q3vKVg9SgU43u2{margin-top:12px}._17A-IdW3j1_fI_pN-8tMV-{display:inline-block;margin-bottom:8px;margin-right:5px}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY{border-radius:20px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;letter-spacing:0;line-height:16px;padding:3px 10px;text-transform:none}._5MIPBF8A9vXwwXFumpGqY:focus{outline:unset} and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. That isn’t to say that there isn’t a lot of work that needs to still be done, but I do believe that the dismissal of all feats like this isn’t a good thing. The same stuff would happen if you "abolished" greek life, they would just be underground like they used to be. The Piazza family has been pushing for aggressive reform and pinpoints that as the key to success in changing Greek culture and avoiding another national tragedy. Im sure whatever sorority you decided not to rush really missed out on you gracing them with your presence. what about the aspiring physicians or lawyers in the pre-professional co ed frats that benefit from the resources these orgs provide? r/UCSantaBarbara is back to abolish Greek life for the tenth time this year. not to mention that 20 people at a random house party on DP (which is still bad) aren't collectively contributing to and benefiting from a racist, classist, outdated and ORGANIZED system. I’m proud to say that I could be openly out in my frat, with both my sexuality and the fact I’m non-binary. It was ~$3k/semester for a private room, 10 meals/week, plus social events. @abolish_greeklife on Instagram | greeklifeabolition@gmail.com. To start, let's do a simple thought experiment and imagine a world in which fraternities were not a part of higher educat We are college students, alumni, and activists who reject the continuation of fraternity and sorority life. Abolish Greek Life 5/28/19 Abolish Greek Life 5/28/19. Don't forget that they're putting us, the non-student population of Berkeley, at risk here too by partying and spreading Coronavirus. They thrive off of discrimination. After Floyd’s killing in police custody and … Folder: About. i agree the greek system is massively fucked up but just bc a few frats and sororities are being dumb doesn't mean everyone associated w a frat (particularly pre-prof and multicultural frats) should get backlash as well. Nationwide calls to abolish Greek life are focused on the Interfraternity Council, with 25 men's fraternities and two co-ed fraternities at Penn, and the Panhellenic Council which is composed of eight women’s sororities at Penn. also why is this comment controversial lol. News Read Me Take Action Open Menu Close Menu. There’s such a stereotype associated with fraternities, and let’s be honest, many of them deserve that stereotype. There's tons of parties in IV, it's an issue with the students as a whole and the local government for not shutting parties down. Chapters. IV has quite a few essential workers, in big families where big gatherings are both a joy and a necessity for survival in our rich/poor economy here. Be happy and be your best. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts One is not easier or harder than the other, they are just different and require different aptitudes or skills to do well. Login; ... abolish greek life by: agl Nov 28, 2020 11:13:15 AM. I'm just a Berkeley citizen, who's lived here for most of my life. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Good luck with that. You’ve clearly been bottled up at home since March. r/abolishgreeklife: Greece is not a real country. The movement argues that Greek life is exclusionary, racist and misogynist, and structurally resistant to important reforms due to the hierarchical nature of national Greek organizations. i just don't think that's fair. Does anyone have any ideas on how feasible it would be to actually have Greek life removed from UCSB? This is understandable, a lot of people don’t, but if that’s the case you can’t just cancel an organization because their ways don’t agree with yours. even then, what about the sororities or frats that have been responsible and enforcing negative consequences for going out? The councils have about 1,400 members each. The only reason people join greek life is because they can't move on from high school and don't give me that philanthropy and academics bullshit. Eugh as someone who is a philosophy major that has taken a lot of science courses (a neuroscience degree from a foreign university + premed track) I always find it so annoying, when STEM people who never taken a humanities course (or maybe one intro course) think less of non stem majors. Focusing on the Greek houses seems to me to divert needed energy from other needs. If they repeat, suspend them. I've been a regular rider on a lot of campus-adjacent lines, and while most drivers express a sense of general exasperation with all UCB students if you chat with them, they really dislike how the frat kids get come eveningtime and later. Vanderbilt’s Greek rush process, in which potential new members are sorted into fraternities and sororities, will conclude at the beginning of the upcoming spring semester. You hit the triple whammy by judging them for their race, body and “wealth”. In the wake of our nation’s moral reckoning with racism, a movement to Abolish Greek Life was born. it doesn't negate what greek life is doing. Redditors not having a clue about Greek life. There have been movements to dismantle the pay-to-play organizations at many campuses, but the efforts typically have been led by outsiders, Pinto said. It will be a test for Greek life and the Abolish Greek Life movement alike. But IV has the same issue, at a smaller rate. Fiji is recognized by the IFC now, they don’t throw parties as much because if they get one more issue arise from their parties they could get unrecognized. Thank you for speaking out for Greek Life. When the orgs are predominantly white and only take white girls (no matter how hard they claim diversity aka a phi and pi phi you're not fooling anyone) the "opportunities" and "networking" y'all claim is limited to white folks. Jim Piazza Not Pushing To Abolish Greek Life, Seeks Nationwide Reform. EDIT: After reading some comments, I should clarify I mean social orgs such as IFC and Panhellenic. This thread has been locked by the moderators of r/berkeley. This is how I feel as well. IFC chapter presidents and the administrators in the CSI will likely discuss calls to abolish Greek Life in a meeting on July 13, according to Corsiglia’s email. literally what the title says. Not just people you agree with or like, *everyone/anyone*. We must abolish it. Not to mention the rampant racism, classism, and sexual harassment allegations that come from there. and a low 3.0 average after having literal test banks and answer keys isn't that impressive either, please find a new hobby. Also, just because 1 frat parties, doesn’t mean they all do. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. After the death of Timothy Piazza, once again the history of fraternities must remind college administrators that Greek life causes deaths By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. It’s telling that everyone that agrees with you isn’t in a frat or sorority... they don’t see the real benefits. There were some rich, white dudes, but people came from all over and we worked on payment plans for brothers that had hit hard times. because they are technically part of greek life but they don't have houses and have gone entirely virtual amidst covid so when you say abolish greek life, is it only the frats and sororities part of ifc and npc? When I got divorced, my brothers were my support system. In an email to The Collegian on July 9, IFC president Peter Corsiglia wrote that he cannot comment on the calls to abolish Greek Life at UR. The system is broken. But it is noticeable that no other parks on the whole South Coast have permanent tent encampments. With that being said, even if they aren’t associated with the school, you could still have organized fraternities. or even the multicultural greek orgs? If you’re going to try and discredit my argument, please do so without arrogance. But abolishing them looks to me like collective punishment, and hasn't the world and the US (in violation of its founding principles) done enough of that in history? Contact. Efforts to abolish Greek life are not new. Focus inward, not outward. Abolish Greek Life. Our house was as diverse as Cal overall. When I was in the hospital a few years back, my frat bros came to my bedside. New Hope in Old Appalachia It all begins with an idea. Disagree. She later went to a frat party just to see what it was like and said it was the worst party experience she'd ever had. More specifically, students at colleges like Vanderbilt, Northwestern, North Carolina, and others are requesting the abolition of all historically-white fraternities and sororities. (pre professional orgs are MUCH more inclusive and understanding from what i've seen and I see nothing wrong with benefiting because of academic merit). Catcalls, mostly- every time. I've drove down DP on a weekend night, and it seems like it's more of an IV issue than a greek life issue, which is only 10% of the school, and an even smaller percentage of IV. That causes spread too... that is largely why Santa Maria, Lompoc, and the City of Santa Barbara have higher infection rates than IV. Go outside, smell some fresh air, get some sun, and lighten your mood. For a better tomorrow, we must #AbolishGreekLife. Fraternities and sororities are built on systems of exclusion, oppression, and violence. Abolish NU IFC/PHA Greek Life has 297 photos and videos on their Instagram profile. Read More. Press J to jump to the feed. You act like there aren’t older people that live in IV who are at risk because students won’t stop partying. There is a lot of good work to do here in IV, helping our unhoused and essential workers be safer too, in a kind and generous way. I get that it’s mostly white people, but I think that’s a bit condescending or disregarding of non white people in Greek Life that enjoy it. Gay guy in a fraternity, here. It's past time to abolish Greek life. I just think that it is too late to abolish … I know I started this thread as a criticism of the COVID parties going on, but it’s important to note that there’s a deep rooted issue here. It was the cheapest option for most people. It would not surprise me if I get downvoted for this. How would abolishing Greek life solve any of these issues? Color me surprised. I know my message was somewhat aggressive but this is the result of witnessing constant abuse. Please take what I have said into consideration. Who cares about frats? Many frats and sororities give a place for a lot of ppl to meet friends, bond, and do dope shit. (the rest of this petition currently refers to frats only, but we are currently updating it to address sororities too!) I’m not in Greek but dude 0 UCSB students have been reported dead or seriously hospitalized due to reasons pertaining to covid. Harvard tried and failed: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/, pre-professional frats aren't allowed to have anything in person at all. These three frat guys kept pushing on it from behind and laughing. The Abolish Greek life movement that has been sweeping across the country has made its way to Tech. Due to Greek life’s considerable presence on our campus, the University could hardly stave off such a movement long. This petition is a call to abolish Greek life (fraternities and sororities). Start by signing the petition. Not to mention, there’s still research being done on the long term effects of covid, so we don’t even know what kind of health problems people could experience down the road. Being in Greek Life, knowing what I know, experiencing what I experienced ... Abolish Stanford Greek life: Confessions from an ex-sorority president. Students at Vanderbilt University are dropping out of their Greek organizations by the hundreds and demanding chapters disaffiliate from their national offices. The more you try to control others, the more you will suffer. Frats bois aren’t partying because they’re in frats, they’re in frats because they wanna party. Thread locked for brigading from (primarily) r/frat. Greek life promotes a social hierarchy that feeds off of class status, gender status, racial status, homophobia, and transphobia. But, as a "civilian" so to speak, I can attest to the fact that they're a general nuisance. 5/14/18 6:21 pm. I understand the greek orgs they want to ban are the ‘white’ ones, and not the ‘black’ ones, but it irks me when people call them the white ones. By Noor Fakih on October 27, 2020. https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/06/30/harvard-rescinds-policy-against-fraternities-sororities-other-single-gender-organizations/. At Northwestern, the Greek system is the absolute authority on social life. I learned more as president of my fraternity than I did in any of my coursework at Berkeley and many of those guys are still my best friends to this day. The type of students that throw parties go here or cc, abolishing greek life wouldn't make those types of people stop throwing parties. Abolish Greek Life. A subreddit for the community of UC Berkeley as well as the surrounding City of Berkeley, California. Not to endorse OP or anything, but you guys need to figure out better ways to make your point. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Then, send us your story. Lol yea i was at first a little interested in rushing for a sorority but after looking thru their instagrams and seeing like only 20% of their members not being thin rich white girls I was completely turned off from them trying to project a certain lifestyle ... seems like an exclusive partying club mostly based on looks and money to me ‍♀️, How did you discern the wealth of each soroity girl mentioned? IFC and Panhellenic are historically racist orgs that perpetuate systemic oppression of minorities, as they aren't as accessible to minorities. Edit: It has come to my attention that this post is circulating around certain frats’ group chats, hence the sudden influx of negative messages. But things are changing and becoming better in the Greek Life system. Our Mission To dismantle the fraternity and sorority system on every campus, expelling the exclusivity, discrimination, and violence Greek Life brings with it. And above all, they thrive off of this toxic brotherhood culture, where many have fallen victim to rape coverups and denial. what about the students who are part of multicultural sororities for an actual community to help them embrace their identity? I used to dread having to go anywhere near the frat houses. Press J to jump to the feed. Yup, and greek life is sanctioning houses if there is proof, last I heard students who throw parties aren't facing any consequences. They're causing us more harm than good considering most of the parties happening and COVID cases are within greek life. Chapters [10]: Chapman University (@abolishgreeklifechapman) Denison University (@abolishdukeifcandpanhellenic) Duke University (@du_abolishgreek) Emory University (@abolishemorygreeklife) University of Richmond (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) We cannot adequately reform Greek life. Plus I seriously doubt "most" of the parties are coming from greek life, greek life is just the only group that is getting held accountable. Even if you aren’t in the roughly 40 percent of undergraduates who join a fraternity or sorority, their influence can be hard to escape, since they often dictate when the parties are, where the parties are, and exactly who’s invited. Well, graduated this semester so I’m an alumni but I digress. Welcome! We must abolish it,” states a Change.org petition created by the Abolish Greek Life movement, which is made up largely of former fraternity and sorority members who have left their organizations in protest of what they say is the toxic and bigoted nature of historically White fraternities and sororities (HWFS). Let’s be honest, frats thrive off of their exclusivity. I could write a book on this matter chock-full of personal experiences but just writing this post is giving me a headache. As a member of another fraternity here on campus, it's nice to see our voices heard. Folder: About. How bout the 50 houses on dp partying every weekend? The culture of sexual assault and the emphasis on conforming to fit into this system was unappealing to me from the start, but recently, as the Abolish Greek Life … I’ve always been anti-Greek life. At one point my GF at the time (who was a UC student then) and I were walking past one of the frat houses, holding hands, and got jeered at, screamed at to kiss, etc., because lesbians omg. The best thing to do right now is to keep calm and reduce your risk by not getting close to anyone who likes to drink alcohol in a group. 2,733 Followers, 112 Following, 258 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Abolish Richmond Greek Life (@abolishrichmondgreeklife) You don't need to funnel your donation money through your organization so they get a tax break, just donate it yourself. greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism greek life is fascism g - Cornell University - CU Discussion. About. Back. At least say 'suspend' greek life cuz of covid rather than just abolish. Nobodies keeping you up night (and if they are knock on their door, and if it persists call the cops), the pandemic is staying regardless, and quite frankly you just sound like you don’t like Greek life because they annoy you. 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